LOT - POLISH AIRLINES (LO)
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Шкандаль з ЛОТом і дітьми, які летіли з Канади, продовжується
http://zik.ua/ua/news/2012/05/04/346945
ІМХО, мав би бути і готель і компенсація....
http://zik.ua/ua/news/2012/05/04/346945
ІМХО, мав би бути і готель і компенсація....
Re: LOT - POLISH AIRLINES (LO)
Якщо зараз купляти білети через застосунок LOT на Facebook, то всім належиться знижка в 10% від "голого" тарифу без врахуванння податків і зборів
LOT - POLISH AIRLINES (LO) отзывы/відгуки
Потому как эмбраеры новые, а боинги древние. К сожалению 787 собираются ставить на Азию. Хотя если их купят Туркиши, еще не известно будут ли те 787.
Re: LOT - POLISH AIRLINES (LO) отзывы/відгуки
ATk, так а штрафы никто не отменял за отказ от поставок. Тем более ЛОТу надо чем-то тот кошмар на дальнемагистралке обновлять.
Re: LOT - POLISH AIRLINES (LO) отзывы/відгуки
LOT цього року планує отримати 4 Дрімлайнера і ще 2 найближчим часом і таким чином цілком оновити свій трансатлантичний флот.
Думаю, буде цілком непогано.
p.s. Цікаво, що ти з тим 767, що сідав на пузо... Кому втюхають?
Думаю, буде цілком непогано.
p.s. Цікаво, що ти з тим 767, що сідав на пузо... Кому втюхають?

Re: LOT - POLISH AIRLINES (LO) отзывы/відгуки
На запчасти.
Re: LOT - POLISH AIRLINES (LO) отзывы/відгуки
Аэросвиту))))Olek писав:На запчасти.
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У Лота сейчас (а может и всегда, я не особо слежу) очень хорошие цены на внутренние перелеты в одну сторону. Около 200грн. Краков, Катовице, Познань и т.д. Есть чему поучиться Аэросвиту. И это при том, что некоорые рейсы выполняются даже на Саабах.
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цікаве спостереження - в ЛОТі на рейсі Варшава-Одеса з їжі завжди дають сендвічі+вафлі, а на Варшава-Київ - тільки печиво якесь.
А літять ну майже однаково, до Києва трохи ближче
А літять ну майже однаково, до Києва трохи ближче
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http://daf-andrew.livejournal.com/433223.html
ЛОТу ушло сегодня письмо с требованием о компенсации 250 евро. буду ждать результатов, может затянуться надолго, судя по тому, что я читал на форумах
Скарга ЛОТ
Написав claim ЛОТу, зараз піду відправляти:
Polskie Linie Lotnicze "LOT" SA
Reklamacje Pasażerskie
Ul. 17 Stycznia 39
00-906 Warszawa
CLAIM
Hello,
My name is Andrii ******, and I was a LOT passenger on the flight LO752 KBP-WAW, on June 08th, 2012, ETKT 080 **********. My flight LO752 was cancelled due to technical faults (according to the public media announcement by LOT spokesman Leszek Chorzewski), and I arrived at my destination point on a different flight, approximately 8 hours after scheduled arrival time.
Under Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and of the European Council of 11 February 2004, establishing common rules on compensation and assistance to passengers in the event of denied boarding and of cancellation or long delay of flights, under Article 5, point 1, paragraph C, I have a right to compensation in case of cancellation of a flight, in accordance with Article 7 ((a) EUR 250 for all flights of 1 500 kilometres or less).
In the case Wallentin-Hermann v Alitalia—Linee Aeree Italiane SpA (Case C-549/07) of 22 December 2008, the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg ruled on the interpretation of Article 5 of the Regulation 261/2004 relating to cancellations, establishing that any technical issues during aircraft maintenance don’t constitute "extraordinary circumstances" that would allow airlines to avoid paying passengers compensation for canceled flights.
The Fourth Chamber of the European Court of Justice on 19 November 2009 also ruled that under the definition of "extraordinary circumstances", technical faults within an aircraft should not be included and therefore an air carrier cannot rely on a technical fault within an aircraft as a defence from a valid claim under the Regulation.
I would also like to inform you, that LOT Polish Airlines have seriously violated p.1 and 2 of the Article 14 of the Regulation 261/2004
1. The operating air carrier shall ensure that at check-in a clearly legible notice containing the following text is displayed in a manner clearly visible to passengers: ‘If you are denied boarding or if your flight is cancelled or delayed for at least two hours, ask at the check-in counter or boarding gate for the text stating your rights, particularly with regard to compensation and assistance’.
2. An operating air carrier denying boarding or cancelling a flight shall provide each passenger affected with a written notice setting out the rules for compensation and assistance in line with this Regulation. It shall also provide each passenger affected by a delay of at least two hours with an equivalent notice. The contact details of the national designated body referred to in Article 16 shall also be given to the passenger in written form.
There was no notice displayed, under p.1, and I was not provided a written notice under p.2 setting out the rules for compensation and assistance in accordance to this Regulation, although I specifically asked the LOT airline representative for such a notice! Moreover, there was no airline representative near the gate for almost 3 hours after the scheduled departure time, and when I found the representative (named Oksana) in 2 hours after scheduled departure time in the LOT office in Terminal B, she refused to provide me with a written notice setting out the rules for compensation and assistance, and refused to go to the passengers of the flight and talk to them, showing the unprecedentedly awful level of customer service.
I request LOT Polish Airlines to pay me the compensation of 250 euro, according to the abovementioned regulations, to the following bank account:
If you refuse me my right to compensation under Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and of the European Council of 11 February 2004, I will be filing a complaint to the Civil Aviation Office of Poland, describing the infringement of my rights both under Article 5, p. 1, paragraph C, and under p.1 and 2 of the Article 14, and/or any other infringements of applicable Polish and European legislation.
I also reserve my right to file a lawsuit in a court of law, seeking to remedy material and moral damages from LOT Polish Airlines.
I kindly expect you to reply to this letter in time set by appropriate legislation, either by e-mail: ********, or by regular mail to the following address:
Failure to reply to this letter in time set by law will lead to filing a complaint to the Civil Aviation Office, adding failure to reply to the list of my rights that were infringed by LOT Polish Airlines.
I am also attaching a copy of my boarding pass for the cancelled flight for your convenience.
Best Regards,
Andrii ********
ЛОТу ушло сегодня письмо с требованием о компенсации 250 евро. буду ждать результатов, может затянуться надолго, судя по тому, что я читал на форумах
Скарга ЛОТ
Написав claim ЛОТу, зараз піду відправляти:
Polskie Linie Lotnicze "LOT" SA
Reklamacje Pasażerskie
Ul. 17 Stycznia 39
00-906 Warszawa
CLAIM
Hello,
My name is Andrii ******, and I was a LOT passenger on the flight LO752 KBP-WAW, on June 08th, 2012, ETKT 080 **********. My flight LO752 was cancelled due to technical faults (according to the public media announcement by LOT spokesman Leszek Chorzewski), and I arrived at my destination point on a different flight, approximately 8 hours after scheduled arrival time.
Under Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and of the European Council of 11 February 2004, establishing common rules on compensation and assistance to passengers in the event of denied boarding and of cancellation or long delay of flights, under Article 5, point 1, paragraph C, I have a right to compensation in case of cancellation of a flight, in accordance with Article 7 ((a) EUR 250 for all flights of 1 500 kilometres or less).
In the case Wallentin-Hermann v Alitalia—Linee Aeree Italiane SpA (Case C-549/07) of 22 December 2008, the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg ruled on the interpretation of Article 5 of the Regulation 261/2004 relating to cancellations, establishing that any technical issues during aircraft maintenance don’t constitute "extraordinary circumstances" that would allow airlines to avoid paying passengers compensation for canceled flights.
The Fourth Chamber of the European Court of Justice on 19 November 2009 also ruled that under the definition of "extraordinary circumstances", technical faults within an aircraft should not be included and therefore an air carrier cannot rely on a technical fault within an aircraft as a defence from a valid claim under the Regulation.
I would also like to inform you, that LOT Polish Airlines have seriously violated p.1 and 2 of the Article 14 of the Regulation 261/2004
1. The operating air carrier shall ensure that at check-in a clearly legible notice containing the following text is displayed in a manner clearly visible to passengers: ‘If you are denied boarding or if your flight is cancelled or delayed for at least two hours, ask at the check-in counter or boarding gate for the text stating your rights, particularly with regard to compensation and assistance’.
2. An operating air carrier denying boarding or cancelling a flight shall provide each passenger affected with a written notice setting out the rules for compensation and assistance in line with this Regulation. It shall also provide each passenger affected by a delay of at least two hours with an equivalent notice. The contact details of the national designated body referred to in Article 16 shall also be given to the passenger in written form.
There was no notice displayed, under p.1, and I was not provided a written notice under p.2 setting out the rules for compensation and assistance in accordance to this Regulation, although I specifically asked the LOT airline representative for such a notice! Moreover, there was no airline representative near the gate for almost 3 hours after the scheduled departure time, and when I found the representative (named Oksana) in 2 hours after scheduled departure time in the LOT office in Terminal B, she refused to provide me with a written notice setting out the rules for compensation and assistance, and refused to go to the passengers of the flight and talk to them, showing the unprecedentedly awful level of customer service.
I request LOT Polish Airlines to pay me the compensation of 250 euro, according to the abovementioned regulations, to the following bank account:
If you refuse me my right to compensation under Regulation 261/2004 of the European Parliament and of the European Council of 11 February 2004, I will be filing a complaint to the Civil Aviation Office of Poland, describing the infringement of my rights both under Article 5, p. 1, paragraph C, and under p.1 and 2 of the Article 14, and/or any other infringements of applicable Polish and European legislation.
I also reserve my right to file a lawsuit in a court of law, seeking to remedy material and moral damages from LOT Polish Airlines.
I kindly expect you to reply to this letter in time set by appropriate legislation, either by e-mail: ********, or by regular mail to the following address:
Failure to reply to this letter in time set by law will lead to filing a complaint to the Civil Aviation Office, adding failure to reply to the list of my rights that were infringed by LOT Polish Airlines.
I am also attaching a copy of my boarding pass for the cancelled flight for your convenience.
Best Regards,
Andrii ********
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А почему Вы не решили сначала попробовать написать им на емейл? Возможно получилось бы быстрее.
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насправді і так, і так можна. а ще кращ пошта і факс.
але насправді пофігу, дійде за 1-2 дня.
але насправді пофігу, дійде за 1-2 дня.
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на і-мейл їм теж пішла копія от тільки но що.
де зазначено:
The copy of this letter has been sent to you today by regular mail (list polecony), and I retain the confirmation (potwierdzenie
nadania), which I will be using as a proof of the date of my claim, should there be no reply to my claim.
читав на форумах до цього, що вони на і-мейли можуть просто не відповідати
де зазначено:
The copy of this letter has been sent to you today by regular mail (list polecony), and I retain the confirmation (potwierdzenie
nadania), which I will be using as a proof of the date of my claim, should there be no reply to my claim.
читав на форумах до цього, що вони на і-мейли можуть просто не відповідати
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od.andrew
Ви - молодець!
Таке траплялося зі мною і родичами не один раз. Тоді я не знав про свої права. Тепер знаю.
Ваш лист в FAQ форуму і в усілякі mustread!
Дякую Вам і, сподіваюся, Ви отримаєте компенсацію.
Ви - молодець!
Таке траплялося зі мною і родичами не один раз. Тоді я не знав про свої права. Тепер знаю.
Ваш лист в FAQ форуму і в усілякі mustread!
Дякую Вам і, сподіваюся, Ви отримаєте компенсацію.
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дякую:)Юрко-81 писав:od.andrew
Ви - молодець!
Таке траплялося зі мною і родичами не один раз. Тоді я не знав про свої права. Тепер знаю.
Ваш лист в FAQ форуму і в усілякі mustread!
Дякую Вам і, сподіваюся, Ви отримаєте компенсацію.
Re: LOT - POLISH AIRLINES (LO)
ЛОТ робить вигляд, що скасування його рейсу - то був форс-мажор, хоча це повна хєрня, і я про це них попереджував.
Буду писати скаргу вже в Urząd Lotnictwa Cywilnego
Dear Mr Andrii,
Thank you for your letter. We are sorry to learn about the inconvenience that you experienced due to the cancellation of LOT Polish Airlines flight LO752 from Kiev to Warsaw on June 8th, 2012.
We understand that our customers expect their flights to operate as scheduled and we make every effort to prevent any irregularity.
Please be informed that the flight in question was cancelled due to unexpected technical malfunction which could not have been foreseen and could have impinged on flight safety. This indicates extraordinary circumstances which exempt the carrier from the obligation to pay compensation.
In such cases we endeavour to offer our passengers adequate assistance and keep them informed. Our records show the passengers from the delayed flight were provided with beverages.
Kindly be informed that in accordance with the Regulation (EC) No 261/2004 establishing common rules on compensation and assistance to passengers, a carrier is not obliged to pay a compensation in the event of flight cancellation if it was caused by reasons beyond its control. Please note that unexpected flight safety shortcomings are listed as one of such factors in recital 14 in the preamble to the Regulation.
We apologize if you have found the behaviour of our representatives at Kiev airport inappropriate. This is not consistent with our stringent standards and working practices.
Therefore as we realise the situation might have disrupted your arrangements we would like to offer you 10 000 bonus miles, which will be added to your Miles and More account.
Once again, we are truly sorry about the situation. We hope that your future travels will be satisfactory in all aspects.
With kind regards,
Viktor Leznar
Passenger Claims Section
LOT Polish Airlinies S.A.
Буду писати скаргу вже в Urząd Lotnictwa Cywilnego
Dear Mr Andrii,
Thank you for your letter. We are sorry to learn about the inconvenience that you experienced due to the cancellation of LOT Polish Airlines flight LO752 from Kiev to Warsaw on June 8th, 2012.
We understand that our customers expect their flights to operate as scheduled and we make every effort to prevent any irregularity.
Please be informed that the flight in question was cancelled due to unexpected technical malfunction which could not have been foreseen and could have impinged on flight safety. This indicates extraordinary circumstances which exempt the carrier from the obligation to pay compensation.
In such cases we endeavour to offer our passengers adequate assistance and keep them informed. Our records show the passengers from the delayed flight were provided with beverages.
Kindly be informed that in accordance with the Regulation (EC) No 261/2004 establishing common rules on compensation and assistance to passengers, a carrier is not obliged to pay a compensation in the event of flight cancellation if it was caused by reasons beyond its control. Please note that unexpected flight safety shortcomings are listed as one of such factors in recital 14 in the preamble to the Regulation.
We apologize if you have found the behaviour of our representatives at Kiev airport inappropriate. This is not consistent with our stringent standards and working practices.
Therefore as we realise the situation might have disrupted your arrangements we would like to offer you 10 000 bonus miles, which will be added to your Miles and More account.
Once again, we are truly sorry about the situation. We hope that your future travels will be satisfactory in all aspects.
With kind regards,
Viktor Leznar
Passenger Claims Section
LOT Polish Airlinies S.A.
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А мені у подібній ситуації мама Люфтганза дала лише 5000... Хоча у вашій ситуації, od.andrew, ви абсолютно маєте рацію щодо irrelevance of technical issue, оскільки рейс експлуатувався з Варшави - бази ЛОТу - та виконувався на типі літака, котрий у ЛОТа не єдиний. Ситуація б була дещо іншою, якби рейс виконувався з Києва. Хоча у цій ситуації technical issue також не є форс-мажорною обставиною, ЛОТ зміг би розіграти карту unforeseen issue. Воюйте далі та успіху вам!od.andrew писав: we would like to offer you 10 000 bonus miles, which will be added to your Miles and More account
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рейс виконувався з Києва до Варшави.
це не має жодного значення у питаннях причин скасування - будь-яка технічна причина перевізника не є форс-мажорною обставиною. За неї несе відповідальність перевізник. Погодні умови можуть бути форс-мажорною обставиною, напевно.
це не має жодного значення у питаннях причин скасування - будь-яка технічна причина перевізника не є форс-мажорною обставиною. За неї несе відповідальність перевізник. Погодні умови можуть бути форс-мажорною обставиною, напевно.
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дякую:)made_in_ukraine писав:Воюйте далі та успіху вам!
і, до речі, відповіли мені на мою скаргу через 9 днів електронною поштою
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Тоді вам ось сюди http://www.ulc.gov.pl/index.php?option= ... Itemid=504od.andrew писав:дякую:)made_in_ukraine писав:Воюйте далі та успіху вам!
і, до речі, відповіли мені на мою скаргу через 9 днів електронною поштою
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